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I'm not sure who the target audience for this post is. It's unequivocally awesome so far. Is this directed at a previous edition of yourself?

I guess you're not reading the reviews! Which is good. The critics have been very, very ambivalent about the show.

This idea of the 'target audience' is, however, interesting to me. Or would be if I had any idea what the hell it meant. I went into some kind of manic fury last night and didn't really think too hard about it. I like to imagine I have many nemeses arrayed at laptops throughout the land, having incorrect opinions. :)

So for instance, I read posts and articles complaining about how the show isn't funny like Buffy, wondering 'What happened?' to Joss Whedon. Which is just fear of things changing, nothing more, but that shit is invariably wrapped up in pseudotechnical language made to seem the complainant - the fearful one - appear in command of some material, some vocabulary, some way of thinking. Whether academic language or posturing. Fuck, I'm getting worked up again!

But OK, I confess: I did work out some resentments about my own former criticism-is-daring masturbatory puffery in this post. And revising this novel is killing me, so I feel the need to lash out, and an 'If you only knew how hard storytelling was' post, however disingenuous and (literally) fantastic coming from an idiot like me, seemed like the right way to go about it at the time.

Aaaaargh!! Also, Hi Saurabh.

This has always followed Joss Whedon around--not merely Joss Whedon, of course, but it's true that basically every time he tried something new a whole legion of people dismissed it immediately in comparison to his earlier work. Sometimes the criticisms were legitimate, but much of the time it's just an unwillingness to deal with changes to the reassuring format. In Buffy alone we have the disintegration of the Scoobies' friendship, the low-chemistry Buffy/Riley and the morally ambiguous Buffy/Spike relationships, Willow's lesbianism and Willow's evil, Dawn, Buffy as a deliberately nonfunctional, autocratic leader in season seven, which fans still talk about it as if it were a failure of writing for Buffy to give hollow speeches rather than an explicit writerly choice. I mean, it's not true that every decision Whedon has ever made was a good one (there are the Angel season four problems, and the bungling of Willow's magic issues in mid season six via the magic crack house, which reduced her character's complexity rather than increasing it), but there is a lack of effort generally to understand these choices, and it's frustrating.

On a related note, the fans ran amok and several were actually calling for an apology from Jane Espenson for her last Battlestar episode, primarily because...Ellen Tigh acted like Ellen Tigh and says and does some vindictive and petty things, and did not act as a perfect godlike being with all the answers the way she did when trying to convince Boomer to get her away from Cavil; and also, because the show was "soapy" and because Jane dares to insert jokes into a Battlestar script. It may be my own Espenson-love coming out, but it seemed as if these guys took their own frustration that the narrative did not satisfy them by offering morally and narratively simplistic solutions (Ellen's a good guy now, watch her solve everything!) and then assumed that that was entirely the writer's fault, as if the writer was trying to give them exactly what they wanted and had failed.

Anyway. I've enjoyed Dollhouse tremendously so far, even though the actual stories of the week don't interest me very much except as they relate to the show's ongoing themes. What particularly impressed me in the aired pilot (much, much better than "The Train Job") were the onion-like layers within layers of abuse: there's the kidnapped girl, Echo's abuse-victim implant, Echo herself, and Eliza, all "forced" in some way or another to live through this emotional turmoil. And the litle girl is found in a white fridge on its side not long before we see the first shot of Echo entering willingly into her white bed cubbyhole in the floor.

I mean, it's not true that every decision Whedon has ever made was a good one (there are the Angel season four problems, and the bungling of Willow's magic issues in mid season six via the magic crack house, which reduced her character's complexity rather than increasing it), but there is a lack of effort generally to understand these choices, and it's frustrating.

William - I'm with you 100% on the awkwardness or unbelievableness of these plot turns (Angel Season Four is fun, but seems to have been bent way out of shape by Carpenter's pregnancy - particularly compared to the airtight Season Three), and your mention of Buffy Season Seven warms my heart, as those S7 big speeches seemed to grow straight out of the same isolation/self-loathing that was always Buffy's biggest fear (going back to her vampire transformation in S1's 'Nightmares'). Your sense of Dollhouse seems spot on to me too - the whole thing is in part a fictionalization of Dushku's work in Hollywood, exploited from a young age ('by choice' - ha), and the fact that each week's inner story is basically a Hollywood melodrama/potboiler should signal to viewers that there's satirical/subversive work going on in the series.

I've given up on Galactica for the moment - couldn't finish S4.0 actually. I'll return to it in time. The overheated grandstanding that's always characterized the show just sort of wore me down after a while. But I can well imagine criticisms of the sort you describe being lobbed Espenson's way - audiences think they know what to expect from her scripts, but she's quite good at her job and came up as a writer under a couple of masters, not least the meaningful-reversal-mad Whedon himself, so if she's giving an unexpected or unsatisfying Ellen(!) I'll assume there's a reason for it.

Yikes, late! Gotta run. Summary: Good eyes, I agree 100%.

And just as Echo is Eliza, the geek programmer is clearly a dark version of Whedon, like Dr. horrible was--verbally he is on the same wavelength as Xander and Wash. In fact it just occurred to me that Wash's death may have signaled a deliberate decision for him to stop presenting himself in a flattering light; Xander is pretty far removed from his original self, and since Wash the most obvious Joss figures have been Billy and Topher. (Plus I remember someone, though I don't remember who, pointing out that many recent Whedon villains are actually sadistic artist types--like the demon in OMWF making characters sing their guts out or the opera manager/owner forcing his ballerina who happened to be Summer of all people, pre-Firefly but still, into repeating the same performance again and again for his personal pleasure.... The guy clearly has an ambivalent attitude towards his own work, and Dollhouse has this even more than everything else before and that is so weird/exciting isn't it?)

There's also the legions of fans who label "The Zeppo" a poorly written, hackneyed episode which pads a poorly-explained apocalypse with some unrelated Xander material. "But I want to know what that heroic thing Giles did at the end was!" Sigh.

Re: Ellen: oh, so that may have been a spoiler then. Whoops! I just assume everyone else is as caught up as me, which I probably shouldn't.... (But hey, didn't Jane start work writing for that other Ellen? The mind reels.)

I did quite like Battlestar 4.0 actually, though I wouldn't lie and say it's not filled with overheated grandstanding; a lot of it makes sense if you view the characters as only now actually dealing with years of built up trauma, with their Cylon-ness or Earth-obsession or cancer or religious awakening becoming the focal point of years of pent up emotion. It's kind of a mess, and lots of things happen without apparent consequences, but many of the individual pieces and choices and episodes are brilliant. The Demetrius stuff with Starbuck was unsatisfying besides Sackhoff's intensity and some of Anders' material, and the development among the (non-final five) Cylons are rushed to the point of incomprehensibility, but most of the characterizational stuff with the Final Four dealing with their lives changing, and Laura (and Bill!) dealing with her cancer's return, and Baltar's finding in his new religious direction some actual way to deal with his guilt, albeit still in a self-centred way, work; and Jane's two scripts in 4.0 are some of my favourites of the series. Season 4.5 is so far very up-and-down and problematic but with some moments of brilliance; watch out for Gaeta's story, which I've found very moving, especially the way the Gaeta/Baltar story plays out--it's a weird semi-unrequited love affair that began playing out in the miniseries. (Only semi-unrequited, because Gaius loves the fact of his adoring fans, after all.)

Apparently Jane is going to be the showrunner for Caprica which bodes well I think, and plus Michael Taylor is working on it and he wrote many of the show's best episodes (well, "Razor," which wasn't amazing though not bad at all, but "Unfinished Business" and "Taking a Break from All Your Worries"), plus many of the best Trek episodes back when he and Moore were working on it.

Re: Ellen: oh, so that may have been a spoiler then. Whoops! I just assume everyone else is as caught up as me, which I probably shouldn't.... (But hey, didn't Jane start work writing for that other Ellen? The mind reels.)

Heh - I'm already spoiled, no worries. And the other Ellen is the reason I put in the exclamation mark. :)

I'd watch Roslin and Adama read the phone book together. They're my favourite onscreen couple. Which is probably partly about my own family-love issues but whatever!!

When Eliza Dushku looks like a woman acting-but-not-acting a part, I'm reminded that Echo is precisely that.

I have no problem with the meta-, but what bugs me about her performance is that it's nested one too many levels: Dushku looks like a woman acting-like-a-woman-acting-but-not-acting, because (ironically) she can't really act. Whedon's normally better with his one-trick actresses, but even as Faith, Dushku demonstrated a knack for leaden deliveries of fine dialogue.

It just occurred to me--obviously Whedon is Boyd, too. "Why am I working for these guys when I said I wouldn't? I'm here to protect this girl from the machine right? I'm not the one exploiting her at all--I am better than everyone else here, right?"

I haven't had any problems with Eliza's acting, but to be honest I'm not a very good judge of acting, so....

Everything you're saying makes sense, and I want to believe it.

The only piece of evidence pointing away from this theory is that, if the show doesn't get really engaging really damn soon, it's going to get cancelled before everyone catches on to the subtext. Whedon's had enough cancellations and threats of cancellation to know that. Whedon's capable of creating a show that's engaging as hell from minute one while still pushing a rich and challenging subtext -- Dr. Horrible being the best recent example. So I have trouble with the idea that Dollhouse is all going according to plan, unless the plan includes losing the majority of potential viewers in the first month.

Ah, I was wondering when you'd comment on this show. I knew it was coming sooner or later! I don't actually read any of your Whedon posts but Lord knows they have been numerous and voluminous.

I'm not overly familiar with his stuff - caught a handful of Buffy episodes back in the day and thought they were entertaining but never got into it; watched the entirety of Firefly on Hulu recently and liked it quite a bit - enough to be disappointed that they only finished the one season - but Whedon seems to produce quality on the whole and his fans are certainly, um, passionate. But I am a far cry from a Josshole.

I've watched all 3 eps of Dollhouse and while I want to like it (mainly to give myself an excuse to watch Dushku for ~40 min. a week) I find myself increasingly annoyed at how silly much of it is.

I love the premise and the moral questions. I have no problem with the acting in general. The writing and plots so far - aside from the pilot, which was actually quite good - have been absurd. The latest episode was ridiculous; the 2nd one had an interesting basic plot (Alpha hires out Echo through a 3rd party in order to kill her - but didn't he let her live before? Very cool) but a pretty laughable execution.

It's too early to judge and I'm going to continue to watch because it intrigues me more than it turns me off so far (there are some very cool/interesting plotlines and moral questions going on), but I hate saying "this is ridiculous" to myself when I watch a show. I want to be able to enjoy my TV in blissful ignorance, even if it's silly. Although I suppose if the show is "not made to be liked or to satisfy" then Whedon's doing a bang-up job, but will probably have trouble keeping this thing on the air.

I can't think of any show I've watched and enjoyed in the past few years that didn't make me say "this is ridiculous" at some point (although admittedly my viewing choices are weak - no HBO). I was pretty put out with my current favorite (Lost) for almost a year; I'm willing to endure "this is ridiculous" for the occasionally sublime.

My lady friend has awesomely caught up with 4 seasons of BSG in the past 3 months so that we could watch the finale together, yet we dedicate more breakfast- and midnight-talk to the possibilities of Dollhouse, even though we aren't fond of the monster-of-the-week execution of the premise.

We continually have spontaneous questions like, "Why do you suppose Boyd fell in with the company? What could convince Ballard to become a handler once he finds the Dollhouse? Is an Active's greatest asset to clients their trustworthiness (explaining the midwife scenario)? What will Echo feel like if her 'contract' legitimately concludes and she looks in the mirror to find she's aged 5 years overnight? Do you think they'll ever give Echo Caroline's personality to throw off Ballard? Who will Echo become as these shards of leftover personality coalesce over time? Will Caroline cease to be relevant as a personality to go home to?"

Would you rather have a cheesy premise with excellent execution (BSG-ish), or an excellent premise yada yada? I think television storytelling is ripe for a new way to reveal the larger plot AND sell its soap week-by-week. The repeated metaphor style (a la "high school is hell") has yet to take off in Dollhouse and may never -- my disbelief is suspended more easily by weekly demons in the Hellmouth petri dish than by a progression of EXTREME!! situations.

Senor Banks, you are a new favorite Internet brain. Thanks.

...or maybe the emperor is just naked.

There's also the legions of fans who label "The Zeppo" a poorly written, hackneyed episode

Really? There are?

Thanks to those who've commented; it's heartening and plain cool to see people responding to one another (especially given my own pathological inability to respond to comments from peers, cf. most recent episodes of 'Conversations With My Therapist' starring Wax Banks).

Pam:

...or maybe the emperor is just naked.

Maybe. Wanna bet against Joss Whedon?

It's not that I disagree with your analysis, in fact I find it intriguingly dead-on. I like your read of the show. What I have a problem with is your 'voice' in the article. Most of the time, when someone employs this particular type of argumentation combined with this level of esoteric language (and not always correctly, in my opinion) it isn't to create a convincing argument, but instead the combination serves to bludgeon the reader into submission. This argument isn't meant to be read, understood and agreed with on its own merits. It's meant to intimidate with a purposefully convoluted vocabulary so the reader is forced to agree with the supposition.

Your critique of critiques is smart, but put that critical thought into a frame of plainer speak.

If this were a paper in an undergrad philosophy class, I would give it a B-/C+ based on unclear language alone.

>Wanna bet against Joss Whedon?

Always.

>Wanna bet against Joss Whedon?

Always.

Given his track record I'd advise against it. I mean, duh.

If this were a paper in an undergrad philosophy class, I would give it a B-/C+ based on unclear language alone.

What are the unclear parts, out of curiosity?

I loved the pilot, the only one Josh has written and directed, I do believe. Echo playing out the triumph of a long-dead person over that person's fears was an extraordinary device. I thought the show would be more like that.

However, if it had been, it would have been even more contrived, because how many earlier personas can keep lining up with their former trials?

I'd like to see one story, though, where Topher chooses a persona he's been building for a particular job, and it turns out the persona was trying to break loose and was consciously adapting itself to Topher's likes so that it could get out. An evolutionary process, in other words. Perhaps that's what Alpha is, who knows?

Anyway, the plots since then have been very hackneyed and smothered with mythology. I'm still liking the basic premise, though, and your points are well made. But in the pressures of the television world, a show isn't going to last if it doesn't satisfy its audience.

I agree with Plato, except I don't think the problem is plain-speaking; the problem is that you're disallowing all kinds of discourse but your own (media criticism, academic criticism, 'pop-schlub pigdin'), and it becomes particularly problematic when you insist that people who have problems with the show have problems with it because they don't "get" it. Fundamentally, I agree with you about Dollhouse--although I'm not willing to give Joss Whedon a pass on the dreck of the week-to-week plots simply because he's Joss Whedon (I think I'd say that the premise of the show is great, but the execution is lacking)--but your reader, this reader, is resistant to the way your argument is framed.

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